Wednesday, July 18, 2012

What Homosexuality is not Video: Response

This video is one of the more poorly done mish mash of straw men and random assertions that I've ever seen.
My response:


//Homosexuality is not something for you to believe in.
It is not Santa Claus.
It is not a religion.
It is not a ghost.

No one has ever claimed these three.

//Homosexuality is not a preference.
It is not food.
It is not a beverage.
It is not something for you to select.

It actually is a preference. It's a sexual preference, as stated later in the same video.
No one's claimed it's a food or drink, and whether it's something that one selects is irrelevant.

//Homosexuality is not something you can become.
It is not a feeling.
It is not a profession.
It is not wealth.

Some people become homosexual, and then leave the lifestyle as well...soooo...just false.
It is a feeling (a sexual preference).
No one has claimed the other two.

//Homosexuality is not a scapegoat.
It is not adultery.
It is not bestiality.
It is not pedophilia.

What? Of course it isn't those three. Those are different types of immoral sexual activities...no one is claiming homosexual activity is the same as bestiality. I will claim it's just as immoral, however.

//Homosexuality is not an influence.
It is not a style.
It is not a fad.
It is not a trend.

Straw men.

//Homosexuality is not a phase.
It is not temporary.
It is not for the time being.
It will not pass.

It actually is and does for many people. False.

//Homosexuality is not for you to fear.
It is not a spider.
It is not a germ.
It cannot attack you

More dumb straw men.

//Homosexuality is not an accessory.
It can't take you shopping.
It can't pick out your outfit.
It can't fix your kitchen sink.

The heck you say?

//Homosexuality is not a club.
You cannot join.
You cannot quit.
You cannot be recruited.

Yawn...

//Homosexuality is not a disease.
You cannot catch it.
It cannot be tested.
It isn't something that you can cure.
(So stop trying to.)

Sure it is, and was recognized as such for a long time. It's a mental disease. Mental diseases can be treated.

//Homosexuality is not immoral.
It is not a sin.
It is not sodomy.
It cannot be prayed away.
Sure it is. Who says it isn't? This video? Ha.

//Homosexuality is not a choice.
It is not an alternative.
It is not an option.
You do not get to pick.

Irrelevant whether you choose your sexual attractions or not.

The homo-fascist community really has nothing. It's all emotive bloviating and yelling. No substantial arguments at all.

11 comments:

Tony-Allen said...

I've got something similar I'm preparing to respond to. I'm starting to wonder if there are any real arguments.

William Birch said...

You know I'm with you on this, but I don't think homosexuality is a "mental disorder."

bossmanham said...

In terms of what is natural, and the natural way the mind is supposed to be oriented, I think it is. I think addiction to pornography, which I've had to deal with personally, is as well.

It is an unnatural sexual desire at the least, which I think can be classified as that. But maybe you have another definition in mind. I'm open to correction.

William Birch said...

I suppose how we view "disorder" or "disease" of the mind is pertinent here. To me, if homosexual desire is a disease or disorder, then perhaps there could be a "cure" medically -- if it could be proven as such.

Moreover, I fear many could merely throw up their hands and say, "Then I'm not responsible for my homosexual behavior; it's a mental disease/disorder." I'm not willing to take that route.

I think homosexual desire is not as much a sexual disorder/problem as it is an emotional one. At least, that is the concept that me and my therapist are working through.

bossmanham said...

Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess I see disease as different than disorder in this case. Though at some level even some diseases we bear responsibility for (though not all).

I had in mind some of the homosexual therapy ministries that exist to try to help homosexuals get out of the lifestyle. Though I'm sure they may never clear up the temptation fully.

Perhaps I do need to be more nuanced in my terminology.

Jc_Freak: said...

Whoa, wait a second! Homosexuality isn't a food?!? Now I'm completely confused.

Rhology said...

ACtually, most pædophiles ARE homosexual. I wonder why the vid didn't mention that>?

Ana said...

Brennon,

This may interest you (perhaps you have already heard) -- legislation up for vote in California, that prohibits medical practioners from providing sexual orientation therapy to minors (i.e. anti- reparative therapy for homosexual persons):

"If both state houses can agree on the final language, the legislation, which would ban all sexual orientation change effort (SOCE) treatment for minors, will be sent to Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown for his signature sometime in September. But, so far, there has been no indication from his office on whether he will sign the bill into law."

I looked up the bill, SB 1172,
and in the text it says:

865.1.
Under no circumstances shall a mental health provider engage in sexual orientation change efforts with a patient under 18 years of age

865.2.
Any sexual orientation change efforts attempted on a patient under 18 years of age by a mental health provider shall be considered unprofessional conduct and shall subject a mental health provider to discipline by the licensing entity for that mental health provider.

Whateverman said...

ACtually, most pædophiles ARE homosexual. I wonder why the vid didn't mention that>?

Most criminals in US prisons are Christians, yet I'm pretty sure you'd reject that correlation as significant.

Why do you accept your quoted correlation while rejecting mine?

bossmanham said...

Most criminals in US prisons are Christians

Surely you know identifying oneself as a Christian does not ensure that you are one. That they've committed acts that would send them to prison is demonstrable evidence that they are, in fact, not. Or weren't when they committed the crime at least.

Whateverman said...

Surely you know identifying oneself as a Christian does not ensure that you are one. That they've committed acts that would send them to prison is demonstrable evidence that they are, in fact, not. Or weren't when they committed the crime at least.
Christians aren't perfect, though, Brennon. They're just saved.

Or so I'm told.

The fact is that all Christians sin. Just because they've committed a crime doesn't mean they can't be Christian.